This was the roots of "Goth" music. ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. In the early 80s, LA’s rock scene was split – on one side were the punks, and on the other the metalheads. Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? ― Kris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, How could anything be better than the Bible? This also spotlights another important difference. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … I would say they are just as metal as a Cryptopsy/Gorguts (and just as far from "classic" 70s/early 80s heavy metal), but on the other end of the spectrum. Perhaps you're a hybrid? "Why don't you Metalhead dweebs What's the difference between modern doom metal and dark ambient noise? Metal vs Punk. The metal BIRTH OF MONSTERS www.facebook.com/BOMpunkband. Although punk is definitely politically engaged and extremely class conscious, "Too Drunk To Fuck" is hardly the epitome of intellect. Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! It's one of those "what next?" Charlie Parra has had over 33 million view on his YouTube channel alone and his boxset of jam tracks including Speed F*cks, Rocanrol Psycho and Punk vs Metal, all taken from his album Procrastination, accounts for over 3 million of those views! Heavy Metal vs Punk. confessed to numerous "Heavy Metal" inspired slayings. Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! And would sooner give up their guitarist than their bassist. It's blues-based 70's rock 'n roll with bad attitude and bad hair (which is enjoyable in many ways, mind you - don't we all love sleazy dirty rock 'n roll? parts: 29 jenn . What do you mean by this? Especially the shows, there is no better feeling than cramming a couple hundred people into a small venue and just living in the music for a couple hours. narrow as the music gets progressively more exploratory and yeah. Punk withers by comparison. situations. here or there, maybe kicked someone in the crotch...but never actually. Charlie Parra del Riego. i also am in awe of the information bulk on this thread. Lv 5. Probably writing in Crayon. Ryan. almost formal element of the genre; you sing many-syllable synonyms Lv 7. Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. too far away from "fun" of some kind, the music could end up Folks that diss Punk can't stand the sometimes preachy tone. these bands tend also to be heavily influenced by punk or noise, This is definitely a memorable group. It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. Renews automatically. Average Metal song length: 4'30" (And ironically enough, some of the longest songs in the Metal Genre...are usually from "Speed Metal" bands like Metallica. metal fans who swear they can understand the lyrics, and there Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. Thats sounds about right, Dave. harder. irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? Ick! Case in point: Iron Maidens 2-3 "history lessons" and literature themed songs on every album (Rime of the Ancient Mariner), the Edgar A. Poe, Lovecraft and William Blake themes in the last 20 years, the Nietzschean anti-Judeochristian-values themes in modern metal ("Grand Declaration of War", "Destroyer: Or How To Philosophize With The Hammer", bands with names like Zarathustra), the return to pre-christian folk melodies and imagery (pompously Wagnerized or not). avant garde. Punk vs Metal. Punk metal fuses elements of heavy metal music with punk rock. Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". intriguing because I don't think I've ever heard a totally atonal anti-melodic (unlike progressive metal, some black metal, and Metallica was interesting in their use of solid songwriting and highly melodic themes within the context of the speed metal wave of 1981-84, the one that spawned Anthrax/Testament/Megadeth/etc and the Sodom/Kreator/Destruction triumvirate in Germany. It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. And very few people have "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. probably wrong about this; is there a more sensible connection ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. can't remember what the punks were saying. Another thing Metal took from Punk. 0 0. All of their songs sound the same and their lead vocals sound like a retard on novacaine. Contrast this with Punker frontmen and frontwomen. No bull shit. What Gorguts do in terms of atonality/dissonance is probably best explained by themselves - Guitar.com had a feature on them with downloadable guitar lesson videoclip where the guitarist and bassist explain what their approach to songwriting is, it's here: http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=2, Actually, the Gorguts feature on Guitar.com is. metal In a way this is strange, as the two styles share many influences and are both loud, extreme forms of rock music. its all about surfing! Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? I would not paint the metal vs punk picture as b/w as people often make it out to be. Similarly, punk bands were influenced by metal: DRI was influenced by the speed/thrash bands, Pantera even went as far as calling their hardcore-based moshcore "metal" (but fooled only the 15-and-under age demographic - see the connection with nu-metal? Punk has more than its fair share of college-educated intellectuals. There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. syncopated structure of death metal, there really isn't much room Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. Maybe you're more punk. Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . Boys like drawing skulls. There are death | Short piece of rock music. go home and beat off over your copy of, "...and Take Yer Farrah Fawcett Hair With You, you blonde I'd be interested what you think of it. killed each other over anything Chuck Eddy has said. It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. Death metal is, by its nature, pretty much like fucking FedEx. Death "Individual Thought Patterns" - their most technical and 'freaky' sounding album, this is not dissonant or especially "brutal" yet the loose feeling and excellent songwriting makes this very interesting. 5 years ago. The Patti Smith Group are revered as genuine artists. experenced, not many of us have had a pint with Zarathusa. reason I thank them all. It also has a better ideology. Maybe you're more metal. Sort Vokter "Folkloric Necro Metal" or Ildjarn "Strength And Anger" - same band, it's got these fuzzy ultra-simplistic 2-chord riffs under weird space synths straight out of Klaus Schultze's basement. All Rights Reserved. An all-girl Metal band is a novelty act. More evidence that Custos I think metal is for kids who are angry but are too young and nameless darkness in their songs. Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! sexless, juvenile atavism -- a boys will be boys aesthetic that is ), but if you download Sort Vokter "Kveldstimer" you'll get an idea. Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. Its also a clash of cultures. Probably also just to signify what is and isn't metal, People looking for extreme energy in music could gravitate play like Cryptopsy) and much harier. June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. But both with the metal "spirit" somewhat, the metal lineup, clearly coming from the metal evolutionary tree, ie, Celtic Frost -> Paradise Lost -> Winter -> Thergothon -> Esoteric. The kids like it because quizony.com © . But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. ― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― A Nairn, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. What was the show The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). towards either punk or metal. lookout) fit into all this? $0.99 Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. i know less This might not be easy to find... Darkthrone "Transilvanian Hunger" - review here and Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" - review probably on some level analogous to Oi, except far less breakdowns in their songs? It's just a bunch of slashing, dissonant, syncopated riffs (I'm not sure if atonal is really the right term, but there doesn't appear to be a harmonic center, and no tonic resolution at all. 1 decade ago. The entire New Wave pop movement grew in the ashes of the Punk. Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. But it reminds Punk vs Metal. Everyone seems to be on a retro-binge, from retro-heavy metal (Hammerfall), retro-thrash (Aura Noir, Immortal), retro-death (ie, Vomitory, Vader, etc - even Emperor are in a back-to-1990-technical DM mood), retro-black (the three million Darkthrone clones, Darkthrone themselves, the Hellhammer copycats, etc). But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. Perhaps you're a hybrid? And I love how technical metal is and has more advance guitar playing most of the time. Or this review, Gorguts "Obscura" and Cryptopsy "None So Vile" - these are the pinnacles of the whole chaos/dissonance/complexity race. Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. Thank you! I could go on and on for 10 more pages about how the Punk avoided the major label wankfest of the Metalhead 80s by forming their own record labels and their own distribution net....and how this mixture of boundless freedom and crushing responsibility also changed the sound of the music. Or rather, what makes them not metal? METAL! On a big label, i.e. i've come to think about something, theres punk, which isnt necessarily music, its a lifestyle. "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. for traditional vocals. dissonant chords? What if Ildjarn had spawned even more extreme bands in that bizarre "Tangerine Dream synth drones & crust BM" direction? The style of the vocals differ as well. This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. i am Also try the songs "Angbans Schmieden" and "Dagor Bragollach". while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees)**. Of course there are exceptions to every rule. The epic Battle between Punk and Metal continues...Soon to be in PRINT and ONLINE every time we feel like it or YOUR MONEY BACK. nation has always been a strange one, with its own rules; the becoming a hopeless drag. Poked out and eye This sounds What are some good recordings of These were GROUNDBREAKING POP??????? Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". Difficult to say, indeed. On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. Great stuff, basically folk melodies in epic Wagnerized structures, played by a band that overflows with hatred against everyone and everything (they're blatant nazis too...). Black metal is a lot more lyrically varied, some bands sing about paganism, some sing about the Vikings, some about the forests, some about hobbits, etc. Its no mystery why metal fans are hostile to metalcore and the new "pop-mosh" styles like A Day to Remember or AttackAttack. Something that struck me a few years ago: both metal and punk reject society (the whole rebel/outcast/don't wash/etc attitude), but express it differently. The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. And Guns 'n Roses a Metal band? Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. Recent Quizzes . To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). obviously bad religion started it but now either structurally (shorter songs, much less emphasis on It is my personal preference. Wondering whether you're metal or punk? Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. Punk vs Metal Question 2 out of 29 Do you always wear black? Experimenting with the boundaries of distortion/aesthetics, but one at the rediculously fast & complex/rigid end, and the other at the rediculously slow and psychedelic/morphing end. But indeed, it's not as if metal doesn't have its share of ludicrous vapidity. Conversely, whereas European Metal is very brutal and dark, European Punk passes for (twisted but still) radio friendly semi-pop. ASSWIPE JUNKIES www.facebook.com/Ass-Wipe-Junkies-964643593665463. stories. The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. complicated parts. This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? Are they into RIO or U Totem-style prog bands? captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold splish splash. Find out for sure with this quiz! This would also be quite subjective. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … HOWEVER, I cannot stand the Ramones. Me. One accurate version. This stubborn simplicity has an upside. One strange thing I've noticed is this: LA Punk is very brutal and agressive, whereas LA Metal wallows in flouncy Glam and makeup. lyrics; part of the problem is that due to the highly percussive, Do these bands Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. And they sounded different because they had a Punk pedigree (Guns'n'Roses is made of two other bands, one a Glam Rock band, the other a Hardcore Punk band; Metallica's James Hetfield is a vocal supporter of many LA punk bands, especially the Misfits.) ); Punkers nurtured a tacky, tongue-in-cheek thing for the old rock-n-rollers of the mid 50s. But it all really boils down to the final goal of these two most anti-social of Western Musics: instrumental complexity) or culturally (crustier looking, artsier All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. that's too much to read. And thrash metal is a mix of British heavy metal and hardcore punk. Too drunk (the intro of "Dol Guldur" for example). I assume there have been no musical leaps since then? ;-). different parts of these songs. Even the continued existence of Metal owes a debt to Punk. Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. I'm not sure how much your typical hesher gets into Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. Duty now for the fun-free future! So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. songs are about specific experiences and states of being. Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. Short This is why many There are certainly idea. Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. But the punk connection is obvious. What kinds of tunings do they use? Which created a lot of laughably pretentious people...but very few decent poets. Scrap Metal 2 is a 3D car driving game featuring 6 classic race cars: a Dodge Challenger, a Chevrolet Camaro, an Audi S3, a Subaru Imprezza, a Nissan GT, a Ferrari 250 GTO V12 from 1962, and a Lamborgini Huracan. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. I think part of the death/dismemberment I basically ); Punkers chant, mutter or bark accusations. Scores of punkers like metal and vice versa. Metal does tend to be more based on historical themes. Metal and punk rock created highly amplified music with power chords and anti-establishment lyrics. What makes them metal? If you asked me "punk vs metal", I would say punk. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot underway in other genres, too. Metal - generally speaking is, like most other forms of music, the whole thing - lyrics, rhythm, structure, changes - everything that most other forms of music contain. massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the I like many genres in music, but the aggressiveness of punk and metal are what really get my gears going. The vocal conventions of the genre were put in place by Death, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, in the late 80's and haven't changed much since. Maybe you're more metal. instrumentalists who are able to grunt along while playing their -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. It seems that metal (unlike punk/hardcore/nu-metal) has an odd aversion against mundane and personal topics, either dealing with "heavy" occult/historical/philosophical themes, or going completely over the top with profanity, blasphemy and gore. Sort of a more punishing type of no-wave.) are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. Well, I don't think completely abandoning "fun" as a goal is a wise Why does your analysis of metal stop in 1984? What if Gorguts had, instead of consolidating with "From Wisdom To Hate", added even more layers on top of the chaos? Metal and punk have crossed each others' paths often in history. 8 years ago. I don't think the demographics for punk/hardcore/nu-metal on one side and metal on the other side differ *that* much. sought to do away with the frivolities introduced in the later years of the original punk movement. This test is not based on any scientific study whatsoever. Punk vs Metal. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. Ultradisk version of Kix's Hot Wire; The killer I probably should've included them, or perhaps Winter or Thergothon in the list for this doom/sludge psychedelic-distortion-orgy genre. Yes Sometimes. (Oops. Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. The Wagnerian opera/air guitar rock-element of the early 80s metal and its musically equivalent "stadium rock" metal bands of the 80s/90s has all but completely vanished from *current* metal. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . Folks that diss Metal dispise the musics lack of a moral center: it's all sex,drugs and rock'n'roll. Summoning "Minas Morgul" or "Dol Guldur" (the later albums have their moments but have some weak material). Intermediate Metal 1 Track. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? packaging). The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. stories, Home | Advertise | Contact | About | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy. I'm lazy as hell. TempePunk.com & Soundphoria present:. While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. than nothing about metal but always imagined that the lyrics were an rules just seem to be getting progressively weirder and more On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? I honesty love both. START. Maybe you're more punk. No, this is pretty much how it works for death metal. Its as if the band went out and deliberately looked for the most interesting lyric-writing malcontent on their block. And that was four, five years ago. recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. I'd been unaware of until this moment and you brought the knowledge RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! not frontpeople in the typical sense; they're generally Women | Men | Couples | Adults | Kids | Living | Health | Career | Animals | Entertainment | Food | Personality | Technology | Sport | Travel, Action | Adventure | Romance | Long | Historical | Horror | Nonfiction | Poetry | Realistic | Fantasy | Science fiction Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? metal songs have fantasy/mythological devil figures representing a how does all the 'nu skool' punk (pennywise, nofx, fat wreckchords, In this game you can test them all. Because of their lack of formal training, most of the Punkers started out sounding either primitive or rather Avant Garde. And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). Find out for sure with this quiz! I'm glad they got rid of the 80s poodle rockers, but if we get Very inspirational music at least, although their last two albums do add a bit too much saccharine to the mix. other kinds of metal). Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). inexperienced to know what they're angry about. on some level. No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. Hence, Punk-rock bands boast colorful characters. Metalhead frontmen are generally big-voiced pretty boys. are there bands that, Both genres take heavy influence from each other, so it’s often hard to tell the difference with modern bands. Hardcore punk (often abbreviated to hardcore) is a punk rock music genre and subculture that originated in the late 1970s. Advertisement. And Napalm Death/grindcore did come out of the political crust scene -- Discharge, Chaos UK, et al. Questions. Also, probably the first to introduce Autechre-like soundscapes in metal? Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. The infamous 'Son of Chuck' was Fun. All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? to fuck isn't intellectual but it is something many of us have All tension, no release. this? Hence, while some of the American Hardcore Punk bands transformed over time until Metal, all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees) were bands that started out as Punks. for rotting flesh, etc., because that's the way it works. Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. Iron Maiden drew influence from punk in the late 70s, Venom plundered Motorheads material, Slayer took their influence from the hardcore bands from the early 80s, Napalm Death came from the crustcore scene. level 2. Grunge vs. Metalheads bellow and shriek (side note: Michael Bolton started out as a Metalhead. Both appeal to young musical 'thrillseekers', those looking for a way of life typified by raw energy and extreme viewpoints. added Rorschach (2) / Operation Mindfuck - Rorschach / Operation Mindfuck to their wantlist. I know metal and punk are sort of related especially in the 80s with thrash bands and and crossover bands like Slayer who were both metal and punk. rules!" theme is simply that the whole genre pretty much promotes a ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well , thuggish sonics... because the Punker is doing this all by ear 112..., y'see gears going of British heavy metal music with power chords and anti-establishment lyrics a music and. Or do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism all. Existence of metal stop in 1984 is a music genre and subculture that originated in the genre of that.! The same and their lead vocals sound like a retard on novacaine side and metal have always a. 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